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“Change comes through building a social movement, and voting for a third party” -musawwir

Change that did not come in 2000 or 2004 and that will not come in 2008. At this rate we’ll likely be extinct by the time Change shows it’s shiny little head.

Altrurian

Who’s more elitist, a Harvard educated junior Senator from Illinois who made a spot on analysis of the broad American babbittry and the phony distractions that are floated as “issues” to divert their attention, or a Phyllis Schlafly avatar who thinks she will live forever in a physical neverland because she made an elective decision to adopt improbable explanations for existance, while those who don’t drink that koolaid will spend a corporal eternity in abject torment, in the worst place she can imagine.

Who would’nt want to be “in that number” when the saints come marching in. That’s elite!

In a classless society Bill Maher will spend Mondays scrubbing his toilet, Tuesdays tending his garden, Wednesdays repairing his house, Thursdays helping his family/community, and Fridays yapping on his talk show. We progressives are working toward the day when Bill has to roll up his sleeves and get down to work. In the meanwhile, it hardly matters what he yaps on his talk show.

‘Look, if you go to almost every institution of higher learning in this country you will find that the vast majority of students avoid subjects requiring critical thinking.”

Maybe they’re just trying to get a job. The complete college experience is nice if you can afford it.

“Most college students do poorly in math and philosophy classes involving logic. Very few take more than the required class or two.”

Who’s fault is that?

“And top that off with the fact that only about 1 in 5 adults in this country even has a bachelors degree or better.”

Again, a bachelor’s degree is nice if you can afford it.

“The point, as the vast majority that post on this forum clearly demonstrate, is how too few are capable of genuine deconstructive analysis.”

And you are?

“Like assholes, everyone has opinions, but sadly most of those serve only to demonstrate why the political dialogue can be so hypocritical, so shallow and so irrelevant yet still so influential over all the sheeple.”

All the while, those “sheeple” are most likely too busy trying to scrape by.

“Go ahead and follow your heart, let your emotions be your guide and you will be swallowed whole by the beast. Your heart can be a good thing, in a fair and just world, but this is not a fair and just world. If your passions and convictions are not tempered with the necessary wisdom they can and will be turned on you and diminished to ineffective foolhardiness. Bush, et al have made that abundantly clear. This forum is making that clear.”

I can’t say I’m being ruled by blind love. If anything, the Obama people are guilty of that. Y’know, he’s a handsome guy, says nice things, and knows how to work a crowd.

“Such is the case to believe any presidential candidate, especially Nader, is going to effectively change anything. That is just plain idiotic, and clearly demonstrates a humungous ignorance for how power is actually wielded. Even W achieved nothing by himself. We the people have been swept along by a myriad of forces that have been composed over decades, by influences that are centuries old.”

So let’s not vote for anyone then. Let’s abolish the presidency and all government.

If Nader were elected, he wouldn’t be in it by himself. He’d have a cabinet full of people who share his ideals and goals, just like every other president.

“And for goodness sake, what to do with all the pseudo-intellectuals here, believing they have espoused some insight or meaningful counterpoint to who knows what next or for what purpose?”

So then let’s all just shut up and let the “true” intellectuals have the floor, none of whom really have a stake in any of this. We’re just working stiffs. We’re not smart enough to express opinions. We’ll just brainiacs like you lead the way and assume you all have our best interests in mind.

But there’s no elitism here is there?

“As this article points out hypocrisy, it should be very clear and evident how republicans calling Obama an elitist is the kettle calling the pot black.”

It is obvious. McCain and Obama are both black kettles imo. I just find it funny that Maher attacks elitism, and then engages in it regularly.

“Anyone who doesn’t know by now that the Repugs are the elitist party should just ask Limbaugh or O’Reilly – they are after all blessed with God’s gift of insight into all that ails us.”

They’re AN elitist party, not THE elitist party. They may more elitist than the Dems and elitist in a different way, but the Dems display their own elitism. If the Dems weren’t elitists, they’d be doing more for the rank and file and the disaffected than they currently are.

“The republicans calling Obama elitist is classic deflection, and it is astonishingly incredulous the number of you that give the tactic credibility, particularly those that then actually begin to believe it’s true.”

The Dems and The Reps bounce shit off of each other all the time. Are they really all that different from one another?

“The new world order is at hand, and it has been made possible not by those who wield the power but by those who give it. The change that needs to happen is not about who holds the office, but by those who give the office its power. And unfortunately, that would be all of you.”

Ok then, so we need to let the elites off the hook eh?

I too believe, at least at this point in time, that it will be up to the people to enact change, but I refuse to buy into the notion that ordinary folk are being justifiably punished by the policies of those in power.

Should we blame the homeless for their own plight?

How about people who are infirm and without health insurance?

What of the jobless?

Is it their fault that they suffer as they do? Did they create their own problems?

Isn’t that what the conservatives do? Blame the disenfranchised for their own plight? After all, they made poor decisions didn’t they? They could have gone to college by scrimping and saving and working til they drop, so that they’d have that cushy job that paid well and had benefits, right?

As a worker, one who has never voted for a Republican, I can’t help but find it shameful and infuriating that there are people on the Left who would essentially suggest that the bottom 3/4, the ones who really feel the iron heel, deserve their disenfranchisement simply because they are allegedly stupid.

That’s rather Satanic don’t you think? Reward the strong, talented and clever, punish, the weak, unskilled, and dumb?

Look, if you go to almost every institution of higher learning in this country you will find that the vast majority of students avoid subjects requiring critical thinking. Most college students do poorly in math and philosophy classes involving logic. Very few take more than the required class or two. And top that off with the fact that only about 1 in 5 adults in this country even has a bachelors degree or better.

The point, as the vast majority that post on this forum clearly demonstrate, is how too few are capable of genuine deconstructive analysis. Like assholes, everyone has opinions, but sadly most of those serve only to demonstrate why the political dialogue can be so hypocritical, so shallow and so irrelevant yet still so influential over all the sheeple.

Go ahead and follow your heart, let your emotions be your guide and you will be swallowed whole by the beast. Your heart can be a good thing, in a fair and just world, but this is not a fair and just world. If your passions and convictions are not tempered with the necessary wisdom they can and will be turned on you and diminished to ineffective foolhardiness. Bush, et al have made that abundantly clear. This forum is making that clear.

Such is the case to believe any presidential candidate, especially Nader, is going to effectively change anything. That is just plain idiotic, and clearly demonstrates a humungous ignorance for how power is actually wielded. Even W achieved nothing by himself. We the people have been swept along by a myriad of forces that have been composed over decades, by influences that are centuries old.

And for goodness sake, what to do with all the pseudo-intellectuals here, believing they have espoused some insight or meaningful counterpoint to who knows what next or for what purpose?

As this article points out hypocrisy, it should be very clear and evident how republicans calling Obama an elitist is the kettle calling the pot black. Anyone who doesn’t know by now that the Repugs are the elitist party should just ask Limbaugh or O’Reilly – they are after all blessed with God’s gift of insight into all that ails us. The republicans calling Obama elitist is classic deflection, and it is astonishingly incredulous the number of you that give the tactic credibility, particularly those that then actually begin to believe it’s true.

The new world order is at hand, and it has been made possible not by those who wield the power but by those who give it. The change that needs to happen is not about who holds the office, but by those who give the office its power. And unfortunately, that would be all of you.